Monday, July 2, 2012

Cannabis and Apple Pie

I found a video on The Power of Raw Cannabis that I found very interesting. It talks about using Cannabis as raw food, as a vegetable with medical qualities far exceeding almost anything we have seen to date. They say that once you burn it, you get a different quality out of Cannabis, which should make those phobic about it feel all warm and fuzzy. But they are taking a different tact in their research by juicing Cannabis and using it as an actual natural remedy for disease.

From The Power Of Raw Cannabis
Now watch this video, especially if you are fully anti Cannabis. This is not hype, it's very reasonable in what it has to say and it has a very good point. If Cannabis had never been heard of and was today discovered in the Amazon river basin, it would be called out as a miracle medicine and hailed around the world.

But Cannabis is as American as apple pie. Albeit a rather abused American, on multiple levels and for multiple reasons.

All this made me look for some interesting and famous quotes and images on hemp and cannabis and this is what I found. I broke out some photos for you that I will comment on, and at the bottom is a link to the actual video which includes fifty and some comments at the end of it. Here are some of my favorites, for various reasons. I've done my best to vet them at least to some degree. Let's start at the beginning.

It's well known that Washington was a hemp farmer and it was actually illegal not to grow hemp if you had a farm. However it was mostly for it's other qualities such as rope, clothes, paper, etc. Still, it's hard to believe there would be an active hemp market and no one knew about smoking it. Have you ever, as a kid, "smoked" on a piece of tall grass?

Typically you didn't inhale as it was harsh, but it's reasonable that someone figured it out back in the slaves days as slaves were made to work closely with hemp. Still, did any of the founding fathers smoke pot? Probably not though it would make a great case for modern pro Cannabis individuals. Napoleon brought hashish to France when his army returned from the Egyptian campaign (1798-1801). America had emmisaries in France over the years, so it's possible some of them tried hash. Hash comes from Cannabis, which was all over the United States. These were smart guys, so it's possible they put two and two together.

This would be great except that Lincoln wasn't known to be a smoker, although I know many people who smoke cannabis but wouldn't touch a ciggarette or pipe, otherwise. It is however plausible that Lincoln had a harmonica.

I would say it's reasonable Lincoln said that one. Abraham Lincoln (1809-65), U.S. President.
Speech, 18 Dec. 1840, to Illinois House of Representatives.


"In the mid-19th century, French writers including Baudelaire and Dumas met regularly to use cannabis. In this extract from his new book, Jonathon Green describes the Club des Hachichins." From an article in the Guardian UK.

I can find nothing to back this up, and he doesn't actually mention "hemp", other than a reference around the internet of a "Dr. Burke" with the "American Historical Reference Society" who doesn't seem to have a presence on the internet.

So you have to be careful about some of these kinds of quotes and references. Since they Founding Father's either left no record of smoking hemp or hash that I can find, it still has very good qualities for production and use in so many other areas. Lately we have been discovering that officially, that being by scientists and medical researchers not under the thumb of government relgulations or the American judicial systems, so that is mostly outside America but also inside prestigeous American institutions, there are incredible uses for Cannabis as you could see in the video above.

So we need to look at other things. Just like with a black hole out in space, if you can't see it, you can tell it exists by circumstantial evidence. In this case, it would be in the areas of prohibition and the "War on Drugs" (and U.S. citizens).

Leave it to a rational and logical thinker (so not a politician or law enforcer), to think, uh, rationally and logically.

So prohitition seems like not a smart thing? I wonder if the Alcohol Prohibition years support that claim at all?

Well, that pretty much jumps right to the point of things. Did Carl say this? Well, he has spoken out about it and there is video to prove it where he asks, "Is it rational, to [keep dying patients in discomfort, from it]."

"Village Voice jazz critic and Crosby biographer Gary Giddins says that Louis Armstrong's influence on Crosby "extended to his love of marijuana." Crosby smoked it during his early career when it was still legal, and "surprised interviewers" in the 1960s and 1970s by advocating its decriminalization." - Wikipedia

I think that pretty much speaks for itself. Now from a couple of politicians.

"Nuff' said" there.

This may hurt the President in some ways, but what would you pay for an honest politician? Well, it would seem we got one, at least to some point.

It's been alleged that British commissioner in India, Mr. J.M. Campell in "Note on the Religion of Hemp, British Indian Hemp Drugs Commission Report 1839-1894" was the one to actually say this. Considering the format of the words, I would say this would sound more like Campell than Carter.

What he HAS said was this:

"In a message to Congress in 1977, I said the country should decriminalize the possession of less than an ounce of marijuana, with a full program of treatment for addicts," Carter wrote. "I also cautioned against filling our prisons with young people who were no threat to society, and summarized by saying: 'Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself.' "
"Those ideas were widely accepted at the time," Carter wrote. "But in the 1980s President Ronald Reagan and Congress began to shift from balanced drug policies, including the treatment and rehabilitation of addicts, toward futile efforts to control drug imports from foreign countries."
"One result has been a terrible escalation in drug-related violence, corruption and gross violations of human rights in a growing number of Latin American countries," Carter wrote.
"Maybe the increased tax burden on wealthy citizens necessary to pay for the war on drugs will help bring about a reform of America's drug policies," Carter wrote. "At least the recommendations of the Global Commission will give some cover to political leaders who wish to do what is right."
Okay, enough already. Let's hear what some other entertainers have to say. Right?
Okay, did Arnold really say that? It would seem so: Mail Online UK October 2007.
Kind of shoots downn that highly addictive thing, don't you think?

This from a woman who is pretty productive in her life and doesn't seem to be drawing attention to herself because she's out of control or a drug addict.

Nice to hear someone just spit it out how he reallys sees it.

That my friends, is a very viable point. It's the type of comment I have heard from many people over the years. They didn't like the harsh drugs their doctor gave them, with the side effects, when they could just use cannabis as it was lighter on their systems, cheaper, and seemed to do a far better job in many cases without the side effects which in some cases, are actually, death.

Obviously we had a couple of indivduals who simply had to be mentioned here. Willie, of course, but also....

I've been saying for years that I cannot understand how Cannabis can be illegal for an entertainment drug when you have things out there that are legal like Lord King, Alcohol. Makes you wonder doesn't it (it should). When you consider the size and money involved in the alcohol industry and they size of their lobby, how is it cannabis is still illegal? Alcohol is very similar in affect to cocaine, it numbs you out, you can easily overdose on it, it leaves you feeling like crap after using it and especially over using it, it can put people into a rage where they hurt or kill people, you can't drive very well on it and it can kill you simply by using it.

Let's jus point out that the Declaration of Indepence is written on parchment which is treated animal skin. However, the drafts I believe were very likely written on hemp paper.

Hmmm... is there an echo in here?

The "War on Drugs" is an embarrassment and should be wiped off the face of the judicial branch. Even if you consider it now dead, which many don't, it is still being enforced under the Obama Administration and has been a shameful effort perpetrated on the American people by the judicial branch for decades now and have caused many indivduals and their families great pain and suffering.

And finally....

We should be listening to the man holding the highest office in the United States when even he thinks this. See the full quote at Reuters April 2012.

There is no doubt that we need to rethink and reinstitue our laws on Cannabis. No matter how you view the subject, if you are pro, question if you should be such an advocate; if you are against cannabis, question if you should be so against it. Ask yourself why you feel how you do and if you know everything to be as sure of yourself as you are. No one knows everything. America has made legislative mistakes before. What makes America great is when we see our mistakes, and do some thing to change them. To make our country greater, to make our citizens not just happier, but better off. Sometimes what makes our life better, makes us unhapy, until we see just how wrong we had been.

Have an open mind. Educate yourself. Then, make an informed decision and share it with those who used to look at things how you used to. Don't let America be ignorant, but more so, seek out that ignorance and help remove it.

Video with full run of photos and audio.

To finish up, here is another video of a very good argument for legalizing Cannabis, given by a Judge! If you are anti Cannabis, at least listen to this Judge making his plea to help the citizens of his state.

We can make things better, one step, one state at a time. But it all starts with removing the ignorance that is running rampant around our country, by making ourselves more informed and seeking out changing our opinions when necessary. Especially if your feel adamant that you are right about something, really vet it, check it out. Things change. Maybe you were right once. But new information is in. People are different today than in, say the 1960s. Don't listen only to people who agree with you.

America is a great country, but not as great as we once thought we were. We can again be that Greatest nation in the world. But we need more education, understanding, compassion and action.

Let me leave you with this last, scary quote and think about this for a moment. This man, in charge of police, is talking not just about people who use drugs, but American citizens. That seems to be something we forget in these talks about who is right or wrong. The subjects of these things are people. Consider too by the definition used for cannabis usage, having a drink after work is also a casual drug use, having a cigarette is a casul drug use, and even some would argue coffee or tea as caffeine could be therefore considered a drug. How would you like those people in charge of who should be charged with casual drug us, or as Daryl says:

Finally, if you really found that too depressing, watch a nice little history of "Marijuana".


  1. Chief Daryl Gates should practice what he preaches . Alcohol is a drug Daryl obviously partakes therefor he should be first in line ;-) He was never known for his logic or intelligence . This is a very simple issue . One has to ask why is Cannabis illegal ? Just the basic facts . Or should I say fallacies since these supposed reasons for criminality are not based on facts or logic.
    The one undying reason given for Cannabis being illegal is that it is harmful . That it is a stepping stone to higher drugs . Yet alcohol is a higher drug and yet it is excepted in mass .Knowing it kills more than any other drug except for tobacco which is also not only legal but has been supported by government and tax payers dollars . Tobacco , alcohol and prescriptions kill more people than anything . Yet Cannabis kills no one . Why does Cannabis get the rap as the only stepping stone to higher drugs ? The notion seems ridiculous . To think that Cannabis has this magical power of the pied piper to lead all down the road to damnation . And to what end ? The worst path is cigarettes , junk food and alcoholism . Not my opinion this is a fact . Just look at the stats . Yet is the path to cigarettes and alcoholism via Cannabis ? No they say the path leads to other higher drugs .If you ask a drug addict what led them to higher drugs I think most would name a person a friend a relative or a circumstance . Not "Cannabis made me do it !"
    So this assumption that Cannabis leads to higher drugs and then to what ? death anti social behavior ? The things that alcohol is known for a fact to do ! What are they saving us from ?
    Lets put it this way . If I offered you a life of poor health a rotting liver slurred speech loss of dexterity, obnoxious behavior , violence addiction eventual death or an increased appetite relaxation improved friendly mood , a feeling of well being . Which would you choose ? One has nothing but side effects the other has mostly positive effects . To me it's a no brainer .

    Lets break it down .

    Cannabis ; Increased appitite , feeling of well being . Almost no side effects . No one dies .Governments stance > make it illegal , ban it even down to it's relative Hemp that has essentially no active drug and masses of uses like superior biodegradable rope and paper , cloth etc.

    Alcohol : Decreased appetite , feeling of well being followed by violent behavior headaches vomitting , depression .The side effects are numerous and a lot of them are fatal .Governments stance > make it legal , subsidize it . Sell it themselves .

    Tobacco ; pure addiction some feeling of relief from feeding a craving caused by it's own addicting nature . Cancer followed by horrific death ;-/ Governments stance > make it legal , subsidize it . Pay farmers to grow it .

    How many of these can be atributed to Alochol , Tobacco or Cannabis use ? Clue most are linked to Tabacco or Alchohol abuse . Any from Cannabis use or even hard drugs ? Some could be linked to hard drugs but nothing compares to tobacco and Alcohol deaths and illnesses . Except for gluttony which comes in by association to the illnesses it's connects to .1,2,3 and 7.

    Top 15 Causes of Death

    1. Heart Disease
    2. Cancer
    3. Stroke
    4. Chronic Lung Disease
    5. Accidents
    6. Alzheimer's
    7. Diabetes
    8. Influenza and Pneumonia
    9. Nephritis/Kidney Disease
    10. Blood Poisoning
    11. Suicide
    12. Liver Disease
    13. Hypertension/Renal
    14. Parkinson's Disease
    15. Homicide

  2. Thanks so much for the comment.

    I asked someone in law enforcement many years ago about this. He agreed, legal drugs are bad (alcohol, cigarettes, coffee), so why would he want to legalize yet another drug that is already illegal. Well, that is a good point. He really is only seeking to protect the public with only their best interests in mind and at heart. Yet, that is not, should not be, his or the government's decision.

    I would have to note that Cannabis is not listed but neither is alcohol. Though I saw a list elsewhere that indicated it twice before the end of the list at number 10 (alcohol induced). It may not be high up on the list anymore, but cirrosis of the liver and other diseases are typically alcohol induced.

    Also the list above indicates causes of which some are definitely attributed ( would be ) to alcohol: Heart Disease, stroke, Accidents, Disebetes, Suicide, Liver Disease (big one there), Homocide. Some of the others may have been excerbated by alcohol as it tends to increase the effects of things like prescription (and illegal) drugs, and certainly some diseases in general.

    Most reports I've seen listing Marijuana as a "cause" of death, when you drill down into it you find that it was an indirect cause such as, "was not paying attention while driving because intoxicated on marijuana", or something like that. And sometimes it is not mentioned that alcolhol was also involved. On that list of causess of death, I went further down the list beyond #15 and didn't find anything to say cause of death was Cannabis:

    "(1999 - causes of death - marijuana safety) "Indeed, epidemiological data indicate that in the general population marijuana use is not associated with increased mortality.""

  3. The following was the ruling of the judge in 1988 for:

    Drug Enforcement Administration
    In The Matter Of
    Docket No. 86-22
    FRANCIS L. YOUNG, Administrative Law Judge
    DATED: SEPTEMBER 6, 1988


    With respect to whether or not there is "a lack of accepted safety for use of [marijuana] under medical supervision", the record shows the following facts to be uncontroverted.

    Findings of Fact

    1. Richard J. Gralla, M.D., an oncologist and Professor of
    Medicine who was an Agency witness, accepts that in treating cancer
    patients oncologists can use the cannabinoids with safety despite their side effects.

    Andrew T. Weil, M.D., who now practices medicine in Tucson,
    Arizona and is on the faculty of the College of Medicine, University of Arizona, was a member of the first team of researchers to perform a
    Federal Government authorized study into the effects of marijuana on
    human subjects. This team made its study in 1968. These researchers
    determined that marijuana could be safely used under medical supervision.

    In the 20 years since then Dr. Weil has seen no information that would
    cause him to reconsider that conclusion. There is no question in his
    mind but that marijuana is safe for use under appropriate medical

    3. The most obvious concern when dealing with drug safety is
    the possibility of lethal effects. Can the drug cause death?

    4. Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal
    effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented
    cannabis-induced fatality.

    8. At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around
    1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of
    marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.


    All these things now considered, I have to wonder. What is all the hoopla about? If it's not dangerous and not a gatway drug, and considering alcohol, cigarettes and even caffeine (drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes has induced stroke in people), so then.... ?

  4. Actually you can die of smoking marijuana . Researchers killed many monkey's in their overly enthusiastic quest to prove it's lethality by forcing monkeys to inhale large amounts of marijuana smoke . The findings > lots of dead monkey's was used to write new stricter laws . Later it was investigated and found that the monkeys in fact did not die of marijuana overdose but instead died of suffocation by way of smoke ( lack of oxygen ) Poor monkey's ;-/
    It is also possible to crush a person with a very large heavy bail of marijuana .
    I do see the logic of not making another vice legal . But we aren't talking about something that kills or maims ( except for in the above cases ) Besides we could ban tobacco cigarettes and then replace them with marijuana cigarettes . Thus saving millions of lives and making everyone happy . And selling 5 times more Twinkies .
    I know Alcohol's not listed . I made it pretty clear that even though it isn't on the list it is responsible ( along with tobacco ) of most of the deaths on the list and farther down .Marijuana is so far down the list it's right under being run over by a giant blue armadillo ;-)